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    Buck Showalter Interested In Managing Mets

    4 Oct 2019, 9:05 PM CDT

    The Mets, currently on the heels of their third straight non-playoff season, are on the hunt for a new manager. In what could be fortunate news for the club, one of the most respected skippers of the past couple decades, Buck Showalter, has interest in the job.

    In regards to the position, Showalter told Steve Somers of WFAN: “Yeah, I’d like to be talked about it, but I’m not going to campaign about it, and I’m real uncomfortable even talking about it with you now because there’s a lot of good people out there and they’re going to make a good decision. They’ll have reasons why and why not, and, you know, I respect that.”

    The 63-year-old Showalter would give the Mets a proven manager, which is something they didn’t have in the just-fired Mickey Callaway, who came with no experience in the role when they hired him. Showalter has guided the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Rangers and Orioles for a combined 20 years, amassing a 1,551-1,517 regular-season record with five playoff berths and three Manager of the Year awards. He sat out this season after the Orioles, who were in the incipient stages of a full rebuild, ousted him in the wake of a 47-win showing in 2018.

    The O’s were blowing it up when they got rid of Showalter, whereas the Mets are trying to ascend as quickly as possible. The team rebounded from a horrendous start this year to finish with 86 wins in 2019, though that wasn’t enough to save Callaway. Now, after turning to the neophyte Callaway in its previous managerial search two years ago, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Mets opt for an experienced hand to steer the ship this time. As of now, though, there’s no word on whether general manager Brodie Van Wagenen & Co. are interested in speaking with Showalter.

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  • #2
    Sources Weigh in on Potential Mets Managerial Candidate Buck Showalter

    Showalter would demand more control, but it could be worth it for a win-now team

    By John Harper
    8 Oct 2019, 3:19 PM ET

    The consensus on Buck Showalter as a potential Mets' managerial candidate comes from interviews with scouts, executives, and media members who all know him well, and it is straightforward: his attention to detail, in-game managing, and knack for having his team prepared is all second to none.


    He wants to do it his way, which can mean everything from input into personnel decisions to potential clashes over the level of day-to-day front-office involvement that characterized Brodie Van Wagenen's first year as GM.

    Should that scare off the Mets?

    "Not if they want to win," says one executive who has a history with Showalter. "Not to disparage Mickey Callaway, but the players on that team would be in awe of Buck when they see how detailed he is in every way, how he puts them in the best position to win every night.

    "With a team like the Mets that has a lot of pieces in place, a great in-game manager could make a big difference. But there's no way around it -- Brodie is going to have to be willing to take a step back.

    "I'm not saying Buck will be opposed to analytics or anything like that. He's a smart guy who's been attuned to that stuff since his Yankee days 25 years ago. But he's not going to want to be in meetings the day of a game about who should play left field that night, who should hit second, that type of stuff. He doesn't have patience for that."

    Indeed, Showalter has a reputation for wanting as much control as possible, especially early in his career. Working for the Yankees, Diamondbacks, and Rangers, his style produced results but his micro-managing eventually wore out his welcome with players as well as the front office.

    Over the years, say people who know him, Showalter became smarter especially in dealing with players, making a point of listening to them and involving them in some of his policy-making.

    In Baltimore with the Orioles, for example, he allowed players to take batting practice on the field in shorts and t-shirts on hot days. And while that may seem like a small matter, some saw it as a significant concession for such a staunch traditionalist.

    Yet someone close to Buck says whatever he's done to adapt over the years has simply been to stay relevant as a manager, and that he remains every bit the old-school guy who decades ago railed about what a bad look it was for baseball when Ken Griffey Jr. was wearing his hat backwards.

    "He still fights those instincts," was the way one person put it. "He just doesn't let them take over anymore. He's a brilliant guy who recognized times were changing and he had to change with them. I think he does have more patience with players now.

    "And he can be great with his bosses if he respects their smarts and their work ethic. I think that was an issue in Baltimore."

    The reference there was to Showalter's relationship with GM Dan Duquette, which multiple people say soured dramatically over the years, at least partly because the manager questioned those very qualities in Duquette.

    As a result, sources say Buck pushed for more control over personnel decisions, and even made it clear to others in the organization that he didn't think much of Duquette.

    "If Buck doesn't respect you, he's not going to play along," one person close to the situation said. "I don't think that would be a problem with the Mets, though. From what you hear, nobody works longer or harder than Brodie, and that goes a long way with him.

    "But even then, Brodie would have to give up some control if he wants to make that relationship work.With that in mind, a long-time scout noted that nobody is more hands-on, even running spring training drills, than Showalter.

    "He's secretive about some things,"
    the scout said. "In spring training, we can't get into the ballpark until 11 (a.m.) because he's out there running drills himself that he doesn't want anybody to see.

    "So what would happen if Brodie came to him and said the sports science people, which every team is buying into now, say the players need to be off their feet at times, or spring training workouts should start later so players get more sleep?

    "Same thing during the season. The sports science people decide that after so many days Jeff McNeil will get a scheduled day off. Well, if McNeil is swinging a hot bat, there's no way Showalter, or Joe Girardi either, is going to go along with that, where I'm sure a first-time manager is going to get in line with it, just as Mickey Callaway did."

    All of this might give Van Wagenen pause. He was involved in decision-making to the point of famously calling from his couch during a game in Arizona to tell his medical staff to make sure Callaway pulled Jacob deGrom out of the game, after the Mets' ace incurred what turned out to be a cramping of his leg muscles.

    So why would he back off for someone like Showalter? The consensus among the people I talked to again was straightforward:

    "Because he wants to keep his job," was the way one person close to the situation put it. "This is his hire. He promised the owners he would win right away. He's limited in the moves he can make and the money he can spend on players.

    "The best way to improve his team is to get a strong manager. He has to convince his owners the salary would be money well spent."

    Not everyone I talked to loves Showalter's style, but even those people acknowledged he has been one of the best in-game managers in baseball over the years.

    He did have one infamous hiccup, if you will, as Orioles' manager, leaving Zack Britton in the bullpen while losing the Wild Card Game to the Blue Jays in 11 innings in 2016. Britton was the best reliever in baseball that season, and Showalter stuck to something of a traditional strategy, waiting for his team to take a lead before using his closer.

    Yet it was hard to believe that such a shrewd manager would let his season slip away without using his best reliever, especially when the game got into extra innings, and he has never really fully explained his reasoning for it.

    Still, baseball people make the point that it took some great managing to get that Orioles' team to 89 wins and the second Wild Card spot.

    "I think that was one spot where Buck outsmarted himself," says a scout. "He wanted to squeeze a couple of innings out some other guys and it cost him. But if you watch him handle the bullpen and manipulate games on a daily basis, he's as good as they come."

    Showalter has won, at least to a certain level, everywhere he has managed. But he has also been fired, once after taking the Yankees to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years because of George Steinbrenner's rather famous impatience, but other times at least partly because his bosses grew tired of his controlling nature.

    For a Mets' team that desperately wants a winner right now, dealing with those control issues would seem like a small price to pay.

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    • #3
      John Harper is a highly regarded journalist who portrays both sides of the coin regarding Showalter. Like most of all Showalter hasn't been perfect, but managerial skills are not reported as a negative. Once upon a time regarded as old school and hard nose about control, but reports indicate that he has adjusted over time. 2012 -2016 in the toughest division in baseball he took the 4th of 5 payroll team to the playoffs in 3 of those 5 seasons. The final two seasons in Baltimore was overseeing a stem to stern collapse and then the dismantling of the team.


      • #4
        Mnnay Machacho is actively campaigning for the Padres to hire Buck. IMO that speaks about how his players saw him


        • #5
          Other than Girardi, the Mets have not scheduled interviews with any other big price tag managers, ie. Maddon or Showalter. Girardi has stepped down from his position as manager of the US team to focus on managing in the ML again.


          • #6
            I would bring in Buck so fast your head would spin. Seriously, over all the other choices, even Maddon (if he had not gone to LA), I want him that much.

            Brody won't do it, though, Buck does not fit the "peace, love, and crystals" vibe that Brody likes.


            • #7
              Ex-Yankees Manager Joe Girardi to Phillies,
              Eduardo Perez to Mets
              Would Make Buck Showalter Odd Man Out

              by MIKE ROSENSTEIN | NJ Advance Media for
              Updated 24 Oct 2019, 9:35 AM ET; Posted Oct 23, 2:18 PM

              As of Wednesday afternoon, six MLB teams are looking for new managers: the New York Mets (Mickey Callaway), Philadelphia Phillies (Gabe Kapler), San Francisco Giants (Bruce Bochy), San Diego Padres (Andy Green), Pittsburgh Pirates (Clint Hurdle) and Kansas City Royals (Ned Yost).

              Two teams already filled openings. The Chicago Cubs are set to hire David Ross to replace Joe Maddon, who’s replacing Brad Ausmus as manager of the Los Angeles Angels.

              Reading the tea leaves, it’s looking like former New York Yankees manager Joe Girardi will land with the Phillies and ESPN analyst Eduardo Perez will land with the Mets. That would leave ex-Yankees manager Buck Showalter on the outside looking in.

              SNY’s Andy Martino reports the Phillies are in “hot pursuit” of Girardi.

              Joe Girardi’s camp expects resolution soon. Not counting out Mets completely, but Phillies in hot pursuit

              MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Girardi had another interview with the Mets on Tuesday, but that he’s “much more likely to wind up with" the Phillies.

              The Athletic’s Jim Bowden reports Perez had his third interview with the Mets on Wednesday.

              ESPN @BBTN_ESPN continues to hire some of the best managers in baseball year in and year out:Aaron Boone #Yankees, Alex Cora #RedSox, David Ross #Cubs and Eduardo Perez could be next with #Mets as he has 3rd interview today.

              If those predictions hold true, Showalter could be shut out from returning to the dugout in 2020.

              The Angels interviewed Showalter before hiring Maddon. Padres slugger Manny Machado had asked for San Diego to look at Showalter, who was the third baseman’s skipper in Baltimore. But the Padres passed, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune.

              Amid much online speculation that Buck Showalter was possibly among the favorites to become the Padres’ next manager, two sources on Tuesday said that is not the case. The former manager of the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Rangers and Orioles is not in the mix, according to one source in the organization and one outside, both of whom spoke on the condition they not be identified. But two other men with ties to Padres General Manager A.J. Preller from his time in the Rangers’ front office are possibilities to replace the fired Andy Gree

              The 63-year-old Showalter was the Orioles manager from 2010-18. He managed the Yankees from 1992-95, the Arizona Diamondbacks from 1998-2000 and the Texas Rangers from 2003-06. He won 1,551 games and three division titles over 20 MLB seasons

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              • #8
                I still would have taken Show all day long...


                • #9
                  I made my case for Showalter, and like Brian would have been satisfied that we had made the best choice...including Girardi. Beltran is an out of the box selection by BVW, and I am looking forward to this season. I certainly think that CB will have an easier road than TC who had to deal with an inferior roster lacking depth and a GM who excluded him. Callaway had the credentials from the Indians and the pitching staff he developed, but he didn't have the foresight to maneuver his way through 9 innings of outwitting the general in the other dugout.
                  Beltran has that experience accrued over 20 years of HOF level baseball. He also is BVW's selection and will have his ear and a voice in the Mets field operations.