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    Joe Girardi Doing His Due Diligence On Mets

    by TC ZENCKA
    5 Oct 2019, 9:06 AM CDT

    Joe Girardi does his homework. Whether he’s the right man to lead the New York Mets in the wake of Mickey Callaway’s firing will ultimately be decided by GM Brodie Van Wagenen and COO Jeff Wilpon, but one thing is for certain, Girardi will do his due diligence before officially throwing his hat in the ring.

    Girardi began doing his research on the Mets a couple of weeks before Callaway was let go, per Mike Puma of the New York Post. His ability to co-exist with the front office was one of the driving factors of his dismissal as the manager of the New York Yankees, despite having managed them to a title in 2009. If he does return to the bench, whether that be in New York, Chicago, or elsewhere, the foundations of a solid working relationship with upper management will be an important box to check.

    The Mets are investigating all of the big names out there on the open market, with Dusty Baker, Joe Maddon, and Buck Showalter surfacing alongside Girardi. Former players like David Cone and Carlos Beltran have also been linked with the position, though we’ve yet to reach the stage of real legitimacy in this search process. Remember, there are no bad ideas in brainstorming.

    There are bad hiring decisions, however, and as he enters his second season on the job, this could be Van Wagenen’s one chance to find the right field manager. The Mets have a tall task ahead of them considering the relatively crowded field of contenders in the NL East. The Braves aren’t going anywhere, the Nationals have some free agency questions to answer, but they could very well return as good or better than they were in 2019, and Bryce Harper and the Phillies will enter 2020 with an increased level of urgency after fading in the second half.

    Even the Marlins are building towards a future of some significance, though they remain a year or two away. Seeing Girardi helm the Mets for 19 games a season against Derek Jeter’s Marlins would certainly provide interesting opportunities for repartee between former colleagues. Furthering the fun, Miami manager Don Mattingly was under consideration for manager of the Yankees when the role ultimately went to Girardi.

    It’s worth wondering whether Girardi’s straight-shooter style is too similar to the recently-departed Callaway, though Girardi’s open communication is perhaps a touch more sophisticated than Callaway, who famously lost his temper with a reporter while the team was in a skid. It’s clear Girardi wants to return to the dugout, and if there’s a spot for him, the Mets or Cubs seem like the most obvious landing spots due to his obvious connections to New York and Chicago, respectively.

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  • #2
    Pros and Cons: A Balanced Look at Joe Girardi's Mets Manager Candidacy

    Significant positives and negatives for the former Yankees skipper

    By Andy Martino
    10 Oct 2019, 12:19 PM ET

    The most telling aspect of Joe Girardi's candidacy for Mets manager so far has probably been the enthusiasm of his former employers. If the Yankees did not feel a deep respect for Girardi, they would not be boosting him as wholeheartedly as they are.

    It's not just Brian Cashman telling SNY's John Harper that he would "highly recommend" Girardi to anyone seeking a manager. It's the many other Yankees officials who, while focusing on their own team's postseason game planning, have taken time to compliment Girardi to reporters and wish him well in the Mets search.

    Cashman and others have offered very strong references in private conversations with the Mets, according to people briefed on those conversations.

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ID:	9289All of that goes in the "pro" bucket in an evaluation of Girardi, but let's not pretend that this is a simple choice for the Mets. Girardi seems to be the darling of the small portion of fans who have a Twitter account, and the front office itself has been doing diligence on him as far back as May.

    But as a baseball person put it the other day when we mentioned that Yankees officials keep praising Girardi: "Oh yeah? Why'd they fire him then?"

    Fair enough. Girardi is smart, perhaps even brilliant. He is proven. He is prepared, perhaps even over prepared. He knows how to manage a game, and specifically a bullpen. He has a big heart and a moral compass.

    But he also has his detractors in the game, the people who see his intensity and need for control as, well, just too much. There is no question that the Yankees clubhouse burned out on him, and has preferred Aaron Boone -- and that this wasn't a late development in Girardi's tenure.

    According to multiple sources with direct knowledge, Derek Jeter and many members of his generation never warmed to Girardi, either [of course, every rabbit hole here is complicated -- Jeter's antipathy could have been rooted in his close friend Jorge Posada's fractious relationship with Girardi.] Point is, Girardi's trouble with players wasn't just a Gary Sanchez issue.

    Consider this text from a smart former Yankee that came in, unsolicited, after we reported on Girardi yesterday:

    "I've always liked him, and hated the reason he got fired in New York. Listening to him do [the Rays-Astros series on FOX], he's got 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome. He never lets his color partner [A.J. Pierzynski or Jim Kaat] have the last word. Always has to go over the top of them, often with something not very enlightening.

    "When he called for the [Willy] Adames stolen base and A.J. said he wouldn't send him, and Adames got thrown out by ten feet, he wouldn't let it go. Can't admit when he's wrong. A 'smartest guy in the room' manager is miserable for players and coaches. You feel like you're always being talked down to.

    "That got [Jeff] Bannister, [Clint] Hurdle and [Andy] Green. They all talk the same. They lose the clubhouse and maybe some coaches being that way."

    The Mets need a manager who is comfortable with his GM's regular presence in the clubhouse and manager's office. A person who can accept strong suggestions on the lineup from the analytics department. In short, a person who does not believe himself to be the smartest guy in the room, but a part of a collaborative management team.

    Some Yankees officials liked working with Girardi, while others found it more challenging. Such is the complex nature of human interaction in any workplace. He's a good person who excels in some areas and struggles in others -- a description that represents the best most of us can aspire to be.

    But both Girardi and the Mets would be wise to approach this decision slowly. Is Citi Field the right environment for him? Has he learned from his Yankee firing? Can he and Brodie Van Wagenen collaborate? Does Pete Alonso's fun-loving clubhouse really need a taskmaster?

    The answers to these questions will determine if Girardi is the man for this particular job. It's not an easy call.

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    • #3
      good read - makes me second guess me "too soon pick" for manager.


      • #4
        Girardi sounds a lot like Bobby Valentine, doesn't he?

        Showalter reminds me of Davey Johnson, I'll take him!


        • #5
          If I worked a booth with AJ Pieraski, I wouldn't let the buffoon get the last word in either


          • #6
            Girardi/Showalter both experienced managers who aren't going to screw up the obvious.

            I exclude Dusty Baker who had a powerhouse team with the Nats but couldn't get past the NLCS. 22 seasons and 0 WS, 3 M of the Y but none in the past 18 years. Rode the backs of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood to the playoff in 2003 and put them away wet. He may have learned a lesson then, but I believe that Baker's time is past. 70 isn't over the hill for some, but it is for Baker.

            With the Mets on the verge of serious contention this, imho, is not the time to turn the reins over to an on the job learning curve manager.


            • #7
              I was reading some articles from the various blogs...and thought that this fan's comments in a Giraldi thread was funny (maybe even spot on):

              Girardi: Can I make my own line ups?
              Jeffy: No
              Girard: Can I at least make pitching changes?
              Jeffy: No
              Girardi: OK then, how many millions will I make as a puppet?
              Jeffy: LOL, millions, get a load of this guy (speaking to BVW) ..... What's NY state's minimum wage again?


              • #8
                There's just something about Girardi I don't like. I can't tell you specifically what, but for some reason he makes my queasy.

                Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel.


                • #9
                  Is Girardi's success a product of the top payroll in baseball for most of his managing years?


                  • #10
                    in 2006, Girardi won Manager of the year with the Marlins. Team finished 78-84, 4th place. They were in Wild Card contention for much of the year. Sounds unremarkable? The Marlins payroll that year was $15M.


                    • West Coast Mets Fan
                      Editing a comment
                      Yet the Marlins let him go. Most of his tenure and most of his success came with the open checkbook Yankees.

                  • #11
                    Originally posted by mjjm367 View Post
                    in 2006, Girardi won Manager of the year with the Marlins. Team finished 78-84, 4th place. They were in Wild Card contention for much of the year. Sounds unremarkable? The Marlins payroll that year was $15M.
                    but he can't work with young players...(or maybe more accurate: he thought Loria was as much of an asshole as everyone else thought)


                    • #12
                      It seems like a lot of Met fans want Girardi; with a lot being written that he is the clear favorite of the Phillies, how ticked will those Met fans be if he does sign with them?
                      Last edited by West Coast Mets Fan; 21-Oct-2019, 08:32 PM.


                      • #13
                        Although I think that Girardi would be a good choice, I'm not on the "Only Girardi" train.

                        He was let go by the idiot owner Loria. Here are the details from Wikipedia, who sourced ot from Sports Illustrated...

                        "However, Girardi was nearly fired in early August when he got into an argument with Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria during a game. According to witnesses and video footage, the Marlins owner was heckling home plate umpire Larry Vanover. When the umpire warned Girardi about the harassment, Girardi and his bench coach Gary Tuck then turned to Loria and told him to stop. Loria had to be talked out of firing Girardi immediately after the game."


                        • saxon
                          saxon commented
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                          Almost fired for following mlb guys like Loria and Ted Turner could get away with the nonsense that they did without the commission shutting them down

                      • #14
                        Can't speak to Turner, but Selig (Commissioners Office) bought the Expos for 120 M....108 M more than Loria paid for 24% and majority control 3 yrs. prior. After 2 years Loria owned 93% of the team as minority owners couldn't meet financial obligations. Then allowed him to buy the Marlins (158 M) and provided a interest free 38 M loan to complete the financing.

                        Loria when moving from Montreal took every scrap of paper, computers and files leaving the franchise void of any information for Selig's selected manager Omar Minaya.


                        • #15
                          Latest on Mets Manager Candidate Joe Girardi:
                          Phillies Have Hired Him
                          The ex-Yankees skipper was on Mets GM Brodie Van Wagenen's list

                          REVISED 24 Oct 2019, 9:22 AM ET

                          Oct. 16, 7:16 PM:
                          Joe Girardi stepped away from his post as Team USA's manager for the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo because he has ongoing interviews with MLB teams and needed to decide now, the MLB Network and Fox Sports analyst told Mike Francesa of WFAN.

                          "I was committed to the Olympic team and about a week ago -- maybe even a little bit more -- I started discussing there was a possibility that I wouldn't be able to do it because of some of the things that I was going through interviewing and I couldn't commit because you have to report on Sunday," Girardi said Wednesday afternoon.

                          The former Yankees manager (2008-17) said that the move was made in confidence of him getting an opportunity to manage a ballclub after he completed his first-round interviews with pending next steps on deck.

                          "I have interviewed with some clubs," Girardi said. "Interviews are still going on, so I am not finished and I will continue to go through the process and wait and see what happens."

                          Girardi added that the interviews spanned across three MLB teams.

                          "I felt that they all have went well," Girardi said. "So it's just some second interviews and going through the process to see what comes to fruition."

                          Money has not been discussed yet with any of the ballclubs, but Girardi felt confident in his belief that he would get back in the game.

                          "I really believe that I'm going to get an opportunity," Girardi said. "I do."

                          Girardi's name has been popular among Mets fans since New York fired Mickey Callaway after two years Oct. 3.

                          SNY's Andy Martino first reported Oct. 1 that the Mets intrigued Girardi, who wanted to manage again and spent nearly a decade in New York with the Yankees.

                          Girardi's candidacy has been weighed with pros and cons, including an endorsement Oct. 9 from Yankees general manager Brian Cashman to SNY's John Harper.

                          However, the Mets are not the only ones with reported interest in Girardi.

                          The Chicago Cubs and Philadelphia Phillies have also been linked to Girardi over the past two weeks after the two ballclubs fired Joe Maddon and Gabe Kapler, respectively, and entered the hunt for a new manager.

                          Carlos Beltran, Mike Bell and Derek Shelton have headlined the darkhorse candidates without experience, but outsiders have found the outcome of the Mets passing on Girardi or Buck Showalter difficult to imagine.

                          Eduardo Perez and Tim Bogar reportedly entered the mix in the past week, too, but Girardi remains one of the top names to keep tabs on while the Mets' search continues.

                          Oct. 17, 1:10 PM:
                          Joe Girardi, Buck Showalter, and Dusty Baker will all have second interviews with the Phillies for their manager job, reports Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

                          Breen -- who reports that Girardi and Showalter are viewed as the favorites -- added that the three above candidates are believed to be the only candidates for the Phillies job, with the process expected to wrap up on Monday and a resolution expected soon after.

                          Oct. 18, 8:44 AM:
                          The Phillies have "heavy interest" in Girardi, reports SNY's Andy Martino, who says Philadelphia has not yet made a decision on who they will hire between Girardi, Buck Showalter, and Dusty Baker.

                          Girardi's interview with the Mets has already taken place, Martino reported.

                          Oct. 21, 11:43 AM:
                          In Philadelphia on Monday for his second interview, Girardi is "the clear favorite" to get the Phillies manager job, reports David Kaplan of ESPN 1000.

                          SNY's Andy Martino reported last Thursday that the Phillies "seem more likely for Girardi still than (the) Mets."

                          With the Mets whittling their candidate list down, Girardi is among the candidates to advance to the second round of the process.

                          Oct. 22, 9:10 AM:
                          Girardi will have his second interview with the Mets on Tuesday, with Eduardo Perez and Tim Bogar having theirs on Wednesday and Thursday, respectively, SNY's Andy Martino confirmed.

                          Oct. 22, 5:39 PM:
                          Appearing as a guest on Mike Francesa's WFAN show Thursday afternoon, Joe Girardi provided an update on where things stand with his search for an MLB managerial job, or at least as much of an update as he could.

                          Girardi said all three teams he's met with -- the Mets, Phillies, and Cubs -- are all potentially still in play, and that he has not completed all of his interviews.

                          "I have not heard anything from anyone, so I'm going to say there's still three teams. But I'm not sure. I haven't been told a no by anyone yet," said Girardi. "I feel really good about the interviews that I've had. But as I've told my son, it's not how I feel, it's how they feel."

                          And while Girardi doesn't seem to expect any kind of announcement in the next 48 hours ("I would say maybe a little bit more"), he does expect to get some answers soon.

                          "I think there will be some clarity with it pretty soon," he said.

                          Girardi also emphasized that all three potential landing spots could be a good fit for him, and that he doesn't have a pecking order in terms of which job he'd prefer.

                          "I think they're all good jobs, really good jobs. They all have great markets, they all have passionate fans that want to win, they all have ownership groups that want to win, so yeah I think they're all good jobs," said Girardi.

                          "To me, the big thing is the relationship and the comfort ability factor of everyone working together."

                          SNY's Andy Martino confirmed earlier in the day that Girardi was having his second interview with the Mets on Tuesday. He reportedly had his second interview with the Phillies on Monday, according to David Kaplan of ESPN 1000.

                          Oct. 23, 9:49 AM:
                          David Ross is expected to be named Cubs manager, reports David Kaplan of ESPN 1000, who notes that Theo Epstein and Ross' camp are currently working out contract terms.

                          The above takes Girardi out of play for the Cubs job and leaves the Phillies and Mets as his two current options.

                          According to SNY's Andy Martino, Girardi's camp expects a resolution soon, with the Mets not counted out "completely" but the Phillies "in hot pursuit."

                          Oct. 24, 9:22 AM:
                          The Phillies have hired Joe Girardi to be their manager, Todd Zolecki of reported, adding that an announcement could come later on Thursday.

                          While Girardi was the choice among many Mets fans, there was never an indication that the team viewed him the same way.

                          "This is not surprising," SNY's Andy Martino said on Thursday. "The Phillies have been way more on Girardi than the Mets. Brodie Van Wagenen has been going through a process of trying to choose his next manager very carefully, make sure he feels a connection with the guy. And that's more important than winning a news cycle or satisfying a portion of the fan base that wanted a certain guy. What the fans want is to win. It's on Brodie to pick a manager he can win with, and he's gotta do that now."

                          Girardi had his second interview with the Mets earlier this week, and was removed from contention for the Cubs opening when they hired David Ross on Wednesday.

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