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  • #46
    Here is a picture of Mediocrity from Baseball

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      • #48
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        Just putting this out here...not expecting to make the playoffs, just saying that...

        after 91 games, the Mets were 40-51 going nowhere...
        The Mets are currently 57-56, having won 17 and lost 6 since then...and are now 2 games out of the wild card

        In 1973:
        After 91 games, the Mets were 40-51 going nowhere...
        After 113 games (we just completed our 113th game), the Mets were 52-61...
        After 128 games , the Mets were 58-70...still going nowhere...
        On Aug 17th, they were 15 games under .500...
        They played sub-.400 baseball from May thru July (32 wins, 49 losses)...
        They were shut out 16 times...
        They allowed 9 "walk off" wins...
        Their best record was on May 18th (when they were 4 games over .500)...
        They had a .315 OBP (8th in the league, only that high because Milner/Staub/Garrett combined for 208 walks);
        They had a .338 Slugging Percentage (12th in the league; for comparison sakes, Tomas Nido has a .330 Slugging Percentage & he's only batting .214)...
        This team won the NL Championship and were up 3 games to 2 in the World Series before finally losing to the Oakland A's Dynasty in 7 games...
        Last edited by saxon; 05-Aug-2019, 11:47 PM.


        • #49
          apparently Mike Viccaro is reading my stuff at least:

          The other Miracle Mets set perfect blueprint for this team

          Mike Vaccaro
          5-6 minutes

          Even from 230 miles away, Jon Matlack can sense what’s going on at Citi Field, and what’s igniting it. Matlack knows as well as anyone what can happen when you get a small gaggle of elite pitchers, send them out against the National League night after night, take your chances with what follows.

          “It’s been true in baseball a long time,” Matlack said with a laugh over the telephone from his home in Johnsburg, N.Y., up in the Adirondacks. “You keep the other team from scoring runs, you’re going to have an awfully good chance to win the game.”

          Forty-six years ago it was Matlack, Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman and George Stone who Yogi Berra turned to every day during one of the most remarkable turnarounds in baseball history. The Mets have spent much of this season celebrating the 1969 team that channeled an unforgettable summer of magic.

          But in many ways the real miracle took place four years later. The 1973 Mets fell as many as 13 games under .500 on Aug. 17 and were still in last place Aug. 30, 10 under and six out, needing to leapfrog five teams. They did. They went 20-8 in September and October, finished 82-79, a game-and-a-half ahead. They beat the Reds in the NLCS. They took the dynasty Athletics to Game 7 of the ’73 World Series.

          That ’73 team is the patron saint of lost baseball causes. Every team that finds itself drowning in the dog days of summer can always turn to that team and ask: Why not us? Enlarge Image Jon MatlackAP
          Mostly, it is because those teams can’t turn to Matlack, Seaver, Koosman and Stone every day. But that was always a funny thing about this year’s Mets. Even as they swooned in June, even as it sometimes felt like they were 30 games under .500 when they never fell further than 11 under, there was always one strand of thread to clutch for dear life:

          Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler, Steven Matz. For most of this season, that felt like the cruelest kind of mirage. Except now, as the Mets have gone from 11 under to two over after Tuesday’s 5-0 whitewash of the Marlins, that strength is precisely what they’ve leaned on. At a time when it seemed like the Mets were going to lose Wheeler, they kept him — and added Marcus Stroman, too.

          “You give yourself a chance to win every day with a good horse on the mound,” Matlack said, “you’re going to be able to make up a lot of ground.”

          Wheeler has pitched 15 innings since not being traded and hasn’t allowed a run in any of them. It is impossible to ignore that the Mets have gotten fat against some awful teams, but it’s just as true that if they hope to sustain this once the front of the opposing uniforms read “Nationals” and “Braves” instead of “Pirates” and “White Sox,” the rotation is what will keep it going.

          “Zack did a great job,” said Mets manager Mickey Callaway, who all year has talked about “making a run to .500” and constantly references the 22-game winning streak the Indians piled up two years ago. For a time that seemed delusional. Suddenly he seems a soothsayer.

          “There’s no doubt when you think of our rotation it excites you, it’s one of the best in baseball,” he said. “And they’re pitching well right now.”

          Said Wheeler: “We know how good we can be, and how good we are. We’re shooting for it.”

          Something else echoes what the Mets’ forebears managed to do. In ’73, the NL East was an odd assortment of teams, a hard-to-figure hodgepodge. The Pirates, who finished first in five of the division’s first seven years, were still reeling from Roberto Clemente’s death and never quite fired their engine. The Cardinals started the year 3-16 and 7-22, yet by Aug. 5 were five games ahead in first place.

          The Mets? Just about every significant player spent time on the disabled list, including Matlack, the 1972 Rookie of the Year who took a Marty Perez line drive off his head in May and suffered a fractured skull. But even as they struggled for five months, no one else took command of the East, the same as nobody has yet seized control of this year’s NL wild card.

          “You dig yourself a hole, you hope nobody else is throwing dirt on you by running away with things,” Matlack said. “In ’73, nobody did. It allowed us to rescue ourselves even after having five tough months.”

          The Mets know this well. If they were in the American League, they’d have started play Tuesday night 7½ games, not 2 ¹/₂, out of the second wild card. But they don’t play in the American League. The ’73 Mets would’ve finished 16½ games behind the Reds in the NL West. But they didn’t play in the NL West.

          And so they became baseball’s beacon of lost causes. All scuffling teams dream of replicating them. They almost never do. The ’73 Mets actually finished off their comeback. The 2019 Mets still have work to do there. But they seem perfectly comfortable with following the blueprint. And it’s a good blueprint.
          The ’73 Mets actually finished off their comeback. The ’19 Mets still have work to do there. But they seem perfectly comfortable with the blueprint.


          • #50
            even if the Mets don't make the Wild Card...hopefully they have helped keep the piece of shit Philthies out of the playoffs with this weekend's series...


            • #51
              That and they are proving that the future is not a bleak as the pundits would make one think. The fact is we have a solid core that can compete with any in our division. Additionally, Avilan and Wilson are showing that they were solid pick-ups by Brodie in addition to Davis that the same pundits write was Brodie's only good move.


              • #52
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                • #53
                  I actually liked the youtube telecast...for "national" announcers, they did a pretty fair, unbiased job...and it wasn't "all about themselves" like a lot of national announcers can be (cough cough Joe Buck)...I don't remember any commercial breaks, they presented interesting baseball items related to the teams involved instead


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by West Coast Mets Fan View Post
                    That and they are proving that the future is not a bleak as the pundits would make one think. The fact is we have a solid core that can compete with any in our division. Additionally, Avilan and Wilson are showing that they were solid pick-ups by Brodie in addition to Davis that the same pundits write was Brodie's only good move.

                    agreed...baring injuries, the offense has mostly done the job once they got settled in...minus Frazier/Lageras, I can picture having pretty much the same collection of positional players next season...only thing that I would really focus on position player wise would be to get a young speedy defensive Center Fielder that can hit at the MLB level and run like a gazelle...there's gotta be someone like a JD Davis type somewhere buried on someone's bench or upper level of the minors that just can't get a break in the majors because they are blocked (and I don't mean put a JD Davis type in CF, what I meant was JD was a diamond in the rough because he was basically blocked in the Astros system)...

                    the primary focus though should be to re-sign Wheller, and to figure out WTF is wrong with the bullpen


                    • West Coast Mets Fan
                      Editing a comment
                      Bullpens across baseball, in general, have been awful this year. I wonder how much the baseball had to do with it. Some starters had issues early on but because they put in more innings than relief pitchers they figured it out. Relief pitchers working less didn't. It also seems to me pitchers that relied on the slider had a more difficult time than others.

                  • #55
                    While I'm all for signing the CF you suggest, I'm beginning to think it is the rarest of breeds. Billy Hamilton was taken by the Braves a couple of weeks ago at the cost of $1M, with $1M more due next year. Aaron Altherr & Rajai Davis have spent time on the roster. And so on. Like it or not, a Nimmo/Lagares tandem might not be the worst option.

                    For 2020, Lagares has a $9.5M team option, with a $500K buyout. While I wouldn't pay him that, I would support resigning him to a lesser contract. The CF free agent options are all worse than Lagares, and it is extremely unlikely that there is an undiscovered JD Davis type minor league CF out there.


                    • #56
                      I would like to see a stat called Wins after Blown Saves (WBLSV). We keep blaming our bullpen for our woes and rightly so, but we have 25 BLSVs and the Dodgers have 24 BLSVs. So WBLSV would show how the team recovered from BLSVs. Obviously the Dodgers didn't let BLSVs destroy their season. So our problems are deeper than just the bullpen even though they are the most likely culprits. Especially when you do things like blow a 6 run lead needing only 3 outs.

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