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    Wilson Ramos.

  • #2
    I like it rather than giving up too much for Realmuto.

    If d'A and/or Plawecki are the backups, we have a good catching situation.

    Now, on to lefty reliever and right handed CF...


    • #3
      So in April, it's 3 games a week of Ramos and 3 games a week of Plawecki;
      in May, it's 3 games a week of d'Arnaud and 3 games a week of Plawecki;
      in June, it's 3 games a week of Plawecki and 3 games a week of Nido;
      In July, it's 3 games a week of Nido, and 3 games a week of our backup AAA catcher;
      then both Ramos and d'Arnaud come off the DL after the A/S break;
      and by September, Plawecki comes back when either Ramos or d'Arnaud either go back to thee DL or are traded


      • #4
        Mets To Sign Wilson Ramos

        by CONNOR BYTNE
        16 Dec 2018 at 3:45 PM CDT

        4:44pm: It is indeed $19MM guaranteed, tweets the New York Times’ James Wagner, who adds that Ramos will earn $8.25MM next season and $9.25MM in 2020. The contract also includes either a $10MM club option or a $1.5MM buyout for 2021.

        3:45pm: The Mets have reached an agreement with free-agent catcher Wilson Ramos, pending a physical, according to Andy Martino of SNY. Daniel Alvarez Montes of ElExtrabase previously reported the two sides had agreed to a contract. It’s a two-year pact, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. The deal is worth $19MM, per Jon Heyman of Fancred, though Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports Ramos will receive a $19.5MM guarantee and an option for 2021. Post colleague Ken Davidoff adds that Ramos could make up to $26MM.

        The Mets’ addition of Ramos takes them out of the running for Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, whom they had been aggressively pursuing this week, as Martino notes. They’re the second team to reportedly drop out of the Realmuto sweepstakes in the past couple days, joining the NL East rival Braves.

        Click image for larger version  Name:	USATSI_11182647-768x958.jpg Views:	1 Size:	73.1 KB ID:	5093For the Mets, losing out on Realmuto means they’ll get to keep major league assets such as Brandon Nimmo, Michael Conforto and Amed Rosario, all of whom had piqued the Marlins’ interest in talks. At the same time, they won’t end up with arguably the majors’ best catcher. Still, while the 31-year-old Ramos’ isn’t the prize Realmuto would have been for New York, he should provide the team with a quality starter behind the plate.

        Ramos, set to join his third NL East team (he was previously with Washington and Philadelphia), has batted .273/.317/.439 (103 wRC+) across 2,944 major league plate appearances, making him an easily above-average offensive catcher. Defensively, Ramos has caught a lifetime 32 percent of would-be base stealers, beating out the 28 percent league average, and earned positive marks behind the plate from Baseball Prospectus for the majority of his MLB career.

        In 2018 – which he divided between the Rays and Phillies – Ramos enjoyed arguably his best offensive season, slashing .306/.358/.487 (130 wRC+) with 15 home runs in 416 PAs. Ramos also caught 29 percent of would-be base thieves and received decent overall grades from BP. It was clearly a strong bounce-back campaign for Ramos, who only appeared in 64 games in 2017 with the Rays as he worked his way back from the torn right ACL he suffered as a member of the Nats late in 2016.

        Ramos has torn his right ACL twice in his major league career, which is especially troubling for an aging backstop. But he still doesn’t come with the injury concerns of fellow Mets catcher Travis d’Arnaud, who missed all but four games last year as a result of a partial UCL tear, has only appeared in upward of 100 games twice in his career and, when healthy, hasn’t lived up to the hype he had as a prospect. D’Arnaud now figures to back up Ramos, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, calling into question what the Mets will do with fellow catchers Kevin Plawecki and Tomas Nido. Speculatively, the out-of-options Plawecki – a former top-100 prospect – could be a trade candidate.

        Entering the offseason, MLBTR forecast a three-year, $36MM guarantee for Ramos, who will fall short of that with his new club. His departure from the open market easily leaves Yasmani Grandal as the premier catcher available in free agency. The Mets also had interest in Grandal, but as a qualifying offer recipient, signing him would have forced the Mets to surrender their second-highest draft pick in 2019, $500K in international bonus space and a significant amount of their major league payroll room. Ramos only cost money, on the other hand, but his signing still counts as yet another major move in the still-young Brodie Van Wagenen era. The rookie GM had been aggressive even before the Ramos agreement, as he acquired Robinson Cano, Edwin Diaz and Jeurys Familia over the past couple weeks. Van Wagnenen’s likely not done yet, either, as he attempts to construct a roster capable of trumping the sub-.500 clubs the Mets fielded from 2017-18.

        Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.

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          • #6
            Why do I very much like this deal?

            Ramos + whoever we didn't trade from (Nimmo/Conforto/Rosario) >>>>> Realmuto.


            • #7
              Mets Agree to Deal with Wilson Ramos, Shrinking Trade Market for J.T. Realmuto

              Marlins and Mets were engaged in Realmuto talks throughout the Winter Meetings,
              but New York ultimately found the asking price to be too high for them.

              SBnation, Fish Stripes
              by ELY SUSSMAN @RealEly
              16 Dec 2018, 5:45 PM EST

              All of that time and creativity spent on “J.T. Realmuto to the Mets” trade scenarios proved to be a waste. Pending a physical, free agent catcher Wilson Ramos will sign with New York, as first reported by VDM Radio’s Daniel Álvarez Montes. Jeff Passan of Yahoo Spots tweets that it’s a two-year deal. James Wagner of The New York Times has full financial details:


              Fully recovered from a torn ACL, Ramos raked in 2018. His .306/.358/.487 slash line and 131 wRC+ were extremely comparable to Realmuto’s.

              However, a couple stints on the disabled list and poorer defensive work dragged down his overall value. FanGraphs pegged Ramos at 2.4 Wins Above Replacement, approximately half of Realmuto’s 4.8 fWAR. Also consider that the thicc Venezuelan is three-and-a-half years older than the Marlins All-Star, and his salaries in 2019 and 2020 will almost certainly be higher. Realmuto is projected to take home $6.1 million next season with another year of arbitration eligibility to come after that.

              Multiple reports from Las Vegas this past week had the Marlins being fixated on the Mets’ controllable major league position players. Specifically, Michael Conforto, Brandon Nimmo and Amed Rosario were potential centerpieces.

              It looked like an awkward fit from the beginning, though. None of those players have quite as much long-term control as an elite prospect, and the Mets don’t have any of those; their No. 1 minor leaguer, shortstop Andres Gimenez, fails to crack the Top 50 on most national publications.

              SNY’s Andy Martino confirms that the Marlins “wouldn’t budge” on their request for a return package featuring somebody impactful from New York’s major league roster.

              Because Ramos was traded from the Rays to the Phillies last summer, he could not be tendered a qualifying offer. His contract costs the Mets money, but nothing else. They can now redirect those young assets to upgrade at other positions, either this offseason or if/when a need arises in 2019.

              The Braves, Yankees, Reds, Rays and Padres are among the likeliest Realmuto landing spots at this point.’s Joe Frisaro believes the Dodgers “remain in the mix” as well. Frisaro adds that the Fish don’t feel pressured to rush into a deal, so buckle up: this saga could extend into the new year.

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              • #8
                Nice to see that cooler heads prevailed in the JT discussions.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by mjjm367 View Post
                  Why do I very much like this deal?

                  Ramos + whoever we didn't trade from (Nimmo/Conforto/Rosario) >>>>> Realmuto.
                  the thing that I like about this...Ramos has handled both the Nats and the Phils top pitchers in the past few seasons...


                  • #10
                    and this deal still leaves in position to sign Realmuto when he becomes a FA because so does Ramos that offseason


                    • #11
                      Reaction & Analysis: The Wilson Ramos Signing

                      by MARK POLISHUK
                      16 Dec 2018 at 7:43 PM CDT

                      The Mets’ busy offseason continued today with the news that the team has agreed with free agent catcher Wilson Ramos on a two-year, $19MM contract that contains a club option for the 2021 season. Here is some of the early reaction to the deal, and its ripple effect on the rest of the catching market…
                      • After speaking with Ramos and his camp during the Winter Meetings, the Mets came away “extremely impressed” by the catcher, according to’s Andy Martino (Twitter links). It also didn’t hurt that Ramos was seeking a lesser contract than Yasmani Grandal, who is looking for a four-year deal. Kevin Plawecki may now be the odd man out of New York’s catching mix, as Martino hears that the Mets are currently planning to use Travis d’Arnaud for the backup job behind Ramos, and Plawecki could now be a trade chip.
                      • The Mets were heavily involved in trade talks for J.T. Realmuto, though ultimately didn’t want to surrender “significant talent off the Major League roster” in a deal, Martino tweets. Names like Amed Rosario, Brandon Nimmo, and Michael Conforto had all been mentioned as possible targets for the Marlins, though Miami’s desire to land more than one of these players seems to have ultimately been the Mets’ breaking point in talks. Martino also mentions that the Mets, Marlins, and Padres had some talks about a three-team deal that would’ve involved both Realmuto and Noah Syndergaard, with those negotiations lasting “up until the end of winter meetings and perhaps beyond.”
                      • Joel Sherman of the New York Post likes the Ramos signing, calling it “the right move” for the Mets rather than trade young players for someone like Realmuto. The Mets can now keep Nimmo and company as potential trade chips for midseason additions, if such move are necessary. If the Mets don’t end up contending, Sherman points out that Ramos himself could potentially be dealt at the deadline, as his contract doesn’t represent a long-term hit for either the Mets or any possible trade suitor.
                      • According to Heyman, the Mets were Ramos’ first choice this winter. The Dodgers also had interest, though only on a one-year contract, Jorge Castillo of the L.A. Times tweets. The Rays and Phillies, Ramos’ most recent teams, didn’t strongly pursue a reunion, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reports. Philadelphia has youngster Jorge Alfaro, of course, while Tampa Bay made another addition behind the plate in acquiring Mike Zunino from the Mariners.
                      • Zunino’s presence hasn’t kept the Rays from being involved in the Realmuto market, however, as’s Joe Frisaro writes (Twitter link) that Tampa and the Dodgers are two of the teams still in the hunt for Miami’s All-Star catcher. The Marlins continue to feel, however, that “they don’t have to do anything” in regards to a Realmuto trade, and could still end up keeping the catcher. “This week will be telling if a trade is made or not,” Frisaro writes.
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                      • #12
                        It's a prudent signing at a reasonable value. The move allows BVW to continue adding at CF and the bullpen while remaining within Wilpons budget.

                        Acquire Kevin Pillar or sign Adam Jones on a 1 year deal (word has it that he didn't want to leave Baltimore so maybe he wants to test out the waters in another city before committing long term). AJ Pollock scares me with the injury history and someone will definitely pay him much more than he is worth.

                        Still a ton of solid relievers out there that I think BVW can afford - Britton, Ottavino, Herrera, Allen, Miller, etc . My hunch is that BVW has spoken to the reps of all the notable guys and determining the best fit.


                        • #13
                          anyone have an updated number on the mets current payroll? Or have heard rumors on what the BVW ceiling might be?


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by saxon View Post
                            and this deal still leaves in position to sign Realmuto when he becomes a FA because so does Ramos that offseason
                            It also decreases his trade value next year if he either goes to a team where it doesn't work out or he (an unlikely scenario) stays with the Marlins. If they extend deGrom before the season starts they'll have a much better feel for finances as the pieces fall into place over the next few years.

                            Sure Ramos is an injury risk but so is every catcher. Who knows if Realmuto can stay healthy either? There are way too many things that can happen to a catcher in the course of a game to make it anything but a high-risk position.


                            • #15

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