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    J.T. Realmuto Talks Now Focused on
    Michael Conforto or Brandon Nimmo As A Headliner



    by: MIKE PHILLIPS
    13 Dec 2018

    The New York Mets may be leaving Las Vegas with Jeurys Familia and four new minor leaguers, but they didn’t land the big fish they were going for. Miami Marlins’ catcher J.T. Realmuto has been the apple of GM Brodie Van Wagenen’s eye for a while, and despite the odds being stacked against it no deal was completed at the Winter Meetings. That hasn’t deterred the Mets, who are still exploring multiple scenarios to try and end up with Realmuto. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic notes that the Mets are exploring multiple three team trade scenarios, including one with the San Diego Padres that would send Noah Syndergaard out west and Realmuto (along with other pieces) to Queens. The Mets are also exploring direct trades with the Marlins for Realmuto, including this scenario laid out by Newsday’s Tim Healey.

    This scenario is certainly more interesting, and it is of note that the Mets would hold onto Amed Rosario in this plan. The Marlins have wanted Nimmo or Conforto for a while now, and it would make more sense to include Brandon Nimmo in this trade if the Mets are hellbent on getting Realmuto. Michael Conforto has demonstrated All Star form in 2017 and recaptured it towards the end of 2018, making a move to part with him counterproductive. Nimmo showed off a ton of potential in 2018, compiling an .886 OPS in his age 25 season, but it is fair to question whether or not he can be a starting outfielder on a contending team. The Mets were definitely worried about Nimmo’s struggles against lefties as he only batted .234 with three homers and nine RBI’s in 128 at bats against them. Conforto fared better against southpaws, batting .249 with 10 homers and 28 RBI’s in 169 at bats.

    There is certainly a chance that Nimmo could blossom into a star, but it may be worth parting with him instead of Conforto or Rosario to land a star catcher like Realmuto. The Mets would then need to supplement Nimmo with prospects, with Healey citing the Marlins’ interest in Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, and Mark Vientos. Gimenez is the Mets’ top prospect and should be big league ready by 2020, while the other two wouldn’t be big league factors until at least 2022 or 2023. The Marlins would probably want a stop gap catcher in the deal as well, so the Mets would likely send back either Travis d’Arnaud or Kevin Plawecki to satisfy that request.

    In the end, the teams could be looking at a basic framework of Nimmo, Plawecki, Gimenez, and one more minor leaguer for Realmuto. That is a steep price to pay for a catcher, but it is a lot better than parting with Conforto, Rosario, or Syndergaard. The Mets could also be willing to part with an outfielder due to their belief in Jeff McNeil’s ability to play all over the diamond, including the corner outfield positions. If Nimmo is dealt in this trade, McNeil could get a lot of playing time in right field, helping to fill that gap. The Mets would also have their starting catcher in house, freeing up the money to sign A.J. Pollock to start in center field. Juan Lagares would then be the Mets’ fourth outfielder and could enter late for defense while drawing some starts against left handed pitching. The Mets’ lineup could be something like this:
    1. RF Jeff McNeil
    2. CF A.J. Pollock
    3. 2B Robinson Cano
    4. C J.T. Realmuto
    5. LF Michael Conforto
    6. 3B Todd Frazier
    7. 1B Peter Alonso
    8. SS Amed Rosario

    This is a deep lineup with versatility and it could get strengthened even further if Yoenis Cespedes comes back in July. If that happens, and Cespedes becomes the “ultimate trade deadline acquisition” Van Wagenen mentioned on WFAN last week, McNeil would then shift into the Ben Zobrist super sub role down the stretch. The Mets would have a more dynamic and complete offense as well, and they could use their remaining dollars on a lefty for the bullpen (like Tony Sipp or Xavier Cedeno) along with depth for the infield and starting rotation.

    This would be a creative approach to roster building and give the Mets a much different look than the one they’ve had for the past few years. It would also make the most of Van Wagenen’s budget, which even with an increase isn’t going to exceed $175 million. The Mets won’t be able to upgrade at catcher and in the outfield with quality pieces by just signing free agents, which would explain why Van Wagenen is working so hard to try and get Realmuto.


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    Latest On Realmuto: Narrowed Market, 3-Team Possibilities With Mets/Padres


    by JEFF TODD
    13 Dec 2018 at 12:32 PM CDT

    The Marlins have made some progress in winnowing the field for backstop J.T. Realmuto, per Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter). Still, though, six teams remain involved, per the report: the Reds, Mets, Rays, Braves, Dodgers, and Padres.

    Certainly, the Mets have been the most visibly aggressive organization to this stage. The New York club has created quite a few off-the-wall possibilities along the way, some of which involve other teams. That makes it relatively unsurprising to hear that they’ve cycled back to prior talks with the Padres regarding Noah Syndergaard in a possible three-team deal, per SNY.tv’s Andy Martino (Twitter link).

    Previously, the Mets reportedly danced around possible deals along these same lines with the Yankees. Also, earlier in the winter, the Mets and Pads were unable to line up on a two-team arrangement that would have sent Syndergaard out west, with the San Diego organization unwilling to part with top prospect Fernando Tatis Jr. It seems quite unlikely that Tatis is now available, so presumably other pieces from a loaded Padres farm would be utilized.

    While the Mets are obviously pushing to win in the near-term, the Marlins would certainly have the ability to be a bit more patient with pre-MLB assets. For the Padres, meanwhile, Syndergaard would obviously represent a much-sought-after staff ace. Importantly, too, he’d be under team control for three seasons at an affordable rate of pay.

    It’s hard to gauge the likelihood of a deal coming together between this trio of teams, though, particularly with so many other previous scenarios falling apart and other organizations still involved. Presumably, the Marlins remain emboldened to continue holding Realmuto while waiting for a rival to jump at their reportedly high asking prices.

    For now, the stalemate continues, though there’s obviously still quite a bit of movement afoot. As Marlins president of baseball ops Michael Hill puts it to Wells Dusenbury of the Sun-Sentinel (via Twitter), “anything can gain traction at any moment.” For the Mets, meanwhile, there continue to be ongoing reports that the team has interest in quite a few other backstops, and it’s at least questionable whether it’d be sensible to prioritize Realmuto if it means losing Syndergaard.

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      https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/

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        Originally posted by Drucifer View Post
        J.T. Realmuto Talks Now Focused on
        Michael Conforto or Brandon Nimmo As A Headliner



        by: MIKE PHILLIPS
        13 Dec 2018

        The Mets are also exploring direct trades with the Marlins for Realmuto, including this scenario laid out by Newsday’s Tim Healey.

        This scenario is certainly more interesting, and it is of note that the Mets would hold onto Amed Rosario in this plan. The Marlins have wanted Nimmo or Conforto for a while now, and it would make more sense to include Brandon Nimmo in this trade if the Mets are hellbent on getting Realmuto. Michael Conforto has demonstrated All Star form in 2017 and recaptured it towards the end of 2018, making a move to part with him counterproductive. Nimmo showed off a ton of potential in 2018, compiling an .886 OPS in his age 25 season, but it is fair to question whether or not he can be a starting outfielder on a contending team. The Mets were definitely worried about Nimmo’s struggles against lefties as he only batted .234 with three homers and nine RBI’s in 128 at bats against them. Conforto fared better against southpaws, batting .249 with 10 homers and 28 RBI’s in 169 at bats.

        There is certainly a chance that Nimmo could blossom into a star, but it may be worth parting with him instead of Conforto or Rosario to land a star catcher like Realmuto. The Mets would then need to supplement Nimmo with prospects, with Healey citing the Marlins’ interest in Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, and Mark Vientos. Gimenez is the Mets’ top prospect and should be big league ready by 2020, while the other two wouldn’t be big league factors until at least 2022 or 2023. The Marlins would probably want a stop gap catcher in the deal as well, so the Mets would likely send back either Travis d’Arnaud or Kevin Plawecki to satisfy that request.

        In the end, the teams could be looking at a basic framework of Nimmo, Plawecki, Gimenez, and one more minor leaguer for Realmuto. That is a steep price to pay for a catcher, but it is a lot better than parting with Conforto, Rosario, or Syndergaard. The Mets could also be willing to part with an outfielder due to their belief in Jeff McNeil’s ability to play all over the diamond, including the corner outfield positions. If Nimmo is dealt in this trade, McNeil could get a lot of playing time in right field, helping to fill that gap. The Mets would also have their starting catcher in house, freeing up the money to sign A.J. Pollock to start in center field. Juan Lagares would then be the Mets’ fourth outfielder and could enter late for defense while drawing some starts against left handed pitching. The Mets’ lineup could be something like this:


        if possible, that is the route that I would take...leaves your middle infield defense intact, leaves your pitching intact, doesn't hurt your OF too much...Sell Nimmo while his value is peaked...

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          Latest On Mets' Pursuit Of J.T. Realmuto


          by CONNOR BYRNE
          13 Dec 2018 at 9:03 PM CDT

          The Mets’ ongoing pursuit of Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto has dominated headlines this week, and Tim Healey of Newsday sheds more light on the teams’ talks. While the Marlins are interested in all three of Amed Rosario, Brandon Nimmo and Michael Conforto and reportedly want more than one of those players for Realmuto, it doesn’t seem that’s going to happen, per Healey. Rather, only one member of that trio – likely Nimmo or Conforto – would headline Miami’s return, according to Healey, who adds that the Marlins also like Mets infield prospects Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio and Mark Vientos. All three of those players rank among the Mets’ top prospects, with MLB.com placing Gimenez first, Mauricio sixth and Vientos eighth.

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          • #6
            NL Rumors: Realmuto, Braves


            by CONNOR BYRNE
            15 Dec 2018 at 7:05 PM CDT

            Not only are the Braves one of the teams still in the hunt to acquire Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, but they’re “slight” favorites as of now, Craig Mish of SiriusXM tweets. Braves third base prospect Austin Riley’s “on the table” in talks, Mish adds. The 21-year-old Riley – MLB.com’s 43rd-ranked prospect – got his first taste of Triple-A action in 2018 and batted a terrific .282/.346/.464 in 324 plate appearances, though he also struck out in nearly 30 percent of trips. Riley is blocked at third in Atlanta, at least temporarily, by the recently signed Josh Donaldson and 2018 starter Johan Camargo.

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            • #7
              The Braves no longer plan to talk to the Marlins about JT Realmuto, reports Mark Bowman of MLB.com.
              Conflicting reports out there. I wonder if the marlins are "leaking" this stuff to drive up the trade value

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                Editing a comment
                DEC. 15: Atlanta hasn’t discussed Realmuto with the Marlins in the past five days, and the Braves don’t plan on picking up talks again, Mark Bowman of MLB.com tweets. That runs counter to a prior report suggesting the Braves are at the head of the race for Realmuto.

                https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...rs-braves.html

            • #8
              Good take on the situation by Sherman. Realmuto is a unique player in this market. It's still a question of whether an arms race is worth the acquisition. There's also the risk of catchers falling off quickly.

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              • #9
                Sell Nimmo while his value is peaked...
                Here's the downside other than his age; I would expect a regression from his OBP of .400+, but not to the degree that he would not be the best leadoff hitter since Jose. Think back to 2017, the Mets led the NL in Hrs and was 9th in R & RBI. That was also the season that 65% of all Hrs. were solo's. The leadoff's that season (in order of games) were Conforto, Reyes and Grandy....70% of their HRs. were solo.


                Nimmo led the Mets in wRC : If you’ve looking to measure a batter’s value using a cumulative statistic that credits a player for total production rather than on an at bat by at bat basis, then wRC is extremely useful. It combines the virtues of a weighted statistic like wOBA, which credits a hitter for how valuable each particular action truly is, with the virtues of counting stats that give players credit for producing at a given level over a great number of plate appearances.

                He not only led the Mets in Runs Created, but ranked 6th among all qualified players (140).

                My motive isn't to protect Nimmo and kick someone else to the curb. Realmuto is an exceptional talent playing a position prone to injury, would I want him on the team...yes, but not at the cost of borrowing from Peter etc.

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                • #10
                  Realmuto would have been a great get (we got Ramos https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-ag...cal/301904724/), but what pisses me off is that for US to get him, we'd have to give up Thor, but for anyone else, all they give up is a box of rocks. It's ridiculous.

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                  • #11
                    https://twitter.com/MetsOfficials/status/
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                    • #12
                      This Tweet. 100x this tweet!!!

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                      • #13
                        https://twitter.com/MLBRosterMoves/status/
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                        • #14
                          Is it just me or do the Marlin's lose every trade they involve themselves in? In fact, I think the same goes for Tampa Bay. Something in the water down in Florida?

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                          • #15
                            I don't think this trade was a loss, i just don't think the market for JT was what they were asking. They got a top prospect and a servicable catcher. Then for gravy they got a throw in coming off a good year in A Ball and some international pool money.

                            Is it Thor? Is it Conforto? No (not yet at least) - but it feels like what the asking price should have been all along.

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